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01/18/2023 04:00 PM Senate RESOURCES

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04:00:02 PM Start
04:02:06 PM Introductions and Committee Discussion of Resource Topics
04:37:29 PM Adjourn
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Committee Discussion of Resource Topics
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 18, 2023                                                                                        
                           4:00 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Cathy Giessel, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE DISCUSSION OF RESOURCE TOPICS                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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4:00:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  CATHY  GIESSEL  called the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 4:00 p.m.  Present  at the call to                                                               
order  were  Senators  Kawasaki, Claman,  Kaufman,  Wielechowski,                                                               
Dunbar, Co-Chair Bishop and Co-Chair Geissel.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^Introductions and Committee Discussion of Resource Topics                                                                      
   INTRODUCTIONS AND COMMITTEE DISCUSSION OF RESOURCE TOPICS                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:02:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  pointed to  the  references  available to  the                                                               
committee  for  the  purpose  of  education  and  orientation  to                                                               
current topics relevant to the  committee's focus on resources in                                                               
Alaska.  She asked  the members  to introduce  themselves to  the                                                               
public  and  discuss  their interests  in  state  resources.  The                                                               
intention  is to  inform Co-Chair  Bishop and  herself about  the                                                               
items and legislation the committee might want to prioritize.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:02:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BILL WIELECHOWSKI,  District K,  introduced himself  and                                                               
stated that he  had served on the Senate  Resources Committee for                                                               
nearly  a   decade.  He  described  his   interests  in  Alaska's                                                               
resources,  specifically fisheries  including dip  netting, sport                                                               
fishing  and commercial  fishing. He  also highlighted  oil taxes                                                               
and development  and his support  for deriving the  maximum value                                                               
for the resource. He expressed  interest in carbon sequestration,                                                               
carbon offset, and carbon credits.  He favors resource plans that                                                               
increase state  revenue while protecting Alaska's  industries and                                                               
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:04:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MATT   CLAMAN,  District   H,  introduced   himself  and                                                               
expressed  his  interest  in  sitting  on  the  Senate  Resources                                                               
Committee.  He   spoke  about  his  legal   experience  with  the                                                               
fisheries industry  where he became more  acquainted with aspects                                                               
of  the  commercial  fishing industry.  He  mentioned  additional                                                               
experience  over the  last  decade working  with  a small  timber                                                               
company  as  an  in-house  lawyer. His  initial  introduction  to                                                               
Alaska was as an employee in  a remote mining camp. He pointed to                                                               
the critical role  the oil industry plays in  the current economy                                                               
and  his  concern for  a  continued  strong resource  development                                                               
presence.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL  acknowledged the  legal backgrounds  of Senator                                                               
Claman  and   Wielechowski,  which  will  enrich   the  committee                                                               
conversations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:06:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  SCOTT  KAWASAKI,  District  P,  introduced  himself  and                                                               
mentioned  his  extensive past  service  on  both the  House  and                                                               
Senate  Resources   Committees.  He   highlighted  the   City  of                                                               
Fairbanks, which was  incorporated as a mining  town. He reminded                                                               
the committee  about the huge  natural gas reserves on  the North                                                               
Slope  as   well  as  the   highly  important  Prudhoe   Bay  oil                                                               
development. He  wishes to preserve Alaska's  fisheries to ensure                                                               
that citizens and commercial fishers  continue to yield a healthy                                                               
resource. He  spoke about timber  harvesting in his  district and                                                               
highlighted  the committee's  responsibility to  work toward  the                                                               
preservation of clean water and air.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:09:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  JAMES  KAUFMAN,  District   F,  introduced  himself  and                                                               
explained his  history with various  capital projects  related to                                                               
resource development in  the state. He expressed  interest in the                                                               
responsible  development  of  resources.  He  sought  an  optimal                                                               
interface  between  government  and  industry.  His  professional                                                               
history  included  experience  with quality,  risk,  and  project                                                               
management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:10:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FORREST  DUNBAR,  District  J,  introduced  himself  and                                                               
agreed with  the sentiments the committee  members had expressed.                                                               
He  voiced support  for the  responsible development  of oil  and                                                               
gas. He stated that while  he represents a very densely populated                                                               
Alaskan district,  he grew up  in rural Alaska. He  mentioned his                                                               
experience with  the mining and fishery  industries. He expressed                                                               
concern about  the dwindling  natural gas  supply in  Cook Inlet,                                                               
especially  as   it  relates   to  serving   the  needs   of  the                                                               
Municipality of Anchorage. He  highlighted alternative energy and                                                               
its potential  to deliver  more affordable  energy in  both rural                                                               
and  urban areas  of the  state.  He spoke  about his  experience                                                               
working  to  restore the  Eklutna  River  fishery that  had  been                                                               
destroyed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL reminded the committee  that Senator Dunbar also                                                               
has a legal background.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNBAR noted that he  worked primarily in military law as                                                               
a judge advocate.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:13:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP, District  R, introduced  himself and  expressed                                                               
his  appreciation for  the committee  members.  He noted  Senator                                                               
Wielechowski's interest  in the  Department of  Natural Resources                                                               
(DNR) and public cabin use. He  relayed that he has served on the                                                               
Resources  Committee  since  his   election  to  the  Senate.  He                                                               
highlighted  his  interest  in   mining  and  wolf  trapping.  He                                                               
mentioned the  stringent permitting  system in Alaska  and stated                                                               
he supports this  as long as it is fair  and equitable across all                                                               
people  and  disciplines.  He  hopes  to  work  with  the  mining                                                               
industry to expand  Rare Earth Element (REE)  exploration in this                                                               
state, which is under-explored.  He highlighted the importance of                                                               
working  toward  more  affordable  energy for  all  Alaskans  and                                                               
thoroughly  vetting  the  Governor's  proposal  regarding  carbon                                                               
sequestration and carbon credits.  He mentioned fisheries and his                                                               
large district's  challenges with  subsistence fishing.  He looks                                                               
forward to  robust committee discussions about  the importance of                                                               
culture and subsistence fishing.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:19:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL, District E,  introduced herself and highlighted                                                               
her  experience as  a Registered  Nurse (RN)  and Advanced  Nurse                                                               
Practitioner   (ANP).  She   detailed   her   history  with   the                                                               
legislature and  her desire to  serve on the  Resources Committee                                                               
despite  having  a  professional  history  in  health  care.  She                                                               
mentioned an  article from a  medical journal  titled "Inequities                                                               
in Life Expectancy  Among US Counties 1980-2014" that  was in the                                                               
packets. She  made the  connection in  Alaska between  quality of                                                               
life,   increased   life   expectancy,   and   natural   resource                                                               
development.  She  noted  that the  article  identified  possible                                                               
drivers  of   this  connection  including:  jobs,   clean  water,                                                               
wastewater removal, access to education,  income, and increase in                                                               
income.  She  highlighted  that all  of  these  areas  benefitted                                                               
greatly from the development of natural resources in Alaska.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  recalled her  parents  debating  the issue  of                                                               
statehood in Alaska.  Her father was a pilot and  she was able to                                                               
ride along to rural villages  and witness the profound poverty in                                                               
the  subsistence  lifestyle.  She   pointed  out  the  beneficial                                                               
changes she'd  seen with  schools and  healthcare in  small rural                                                               
villages.  She   said  she   appreciated  the   discussion  about                                                               
fisheries  and the  relationship to  food security  for Alaskans.                                                               
She reminded the committee that  agriculture also falls under the                                                               
committee's  purview and  said she  has  a keen  interest in  its                                                               
development.  She referred  to the  Resources  Committee as  most                                                               
important, second only to the Finance Committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:26:17 PM                                                                                                                  
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL stated  that the  University of  Alaska finally                                                               
received its land  acquisition, and she hopes  the committee will                                                               
hear the important details in future meetings.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  talked about an  upcoming presentation  from the                                                               
Idaho National  Laboratory related to a  discussion about nuclear                                                               
power.  He stated  that Idaho  National Laboratory  certifies all                                                               
new   nuclear   generation   technology   prior   to   commercial                                                               
production.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL advised the committee  about a presentation from                                                               
the Alaska  Department of Fish  and Game (ADF&G) about  the Yukon                                                               
River fisheries.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP added  that the  ADF&G  presentation would  also                                                               
include information about the Kuskokwim River.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL referred  to an  earlier presentation  from the                                                               
Department  of  Natural Resources  (DNR)  to  the Senate  Finance                                                               
Committee.  She highlighted  the discussion  about oil  assets on                                                               
the  North  Slope.  She  would like  the  department  to  provide                                                               
detailed  information about  those assets.  She pointed  out that                                                               
natural  gas contracts  are limited,  and prepared  the committee                                                               
for a  DNR presentation about  Cook Inlet's resources.  She asked                                                               
the  committee  for requests  related  to  upcoming hearings  and                                                               
planned presentations.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CLAMAN  requested a better  understanding from  DNR about                                                               
state-owned  timber  resources,  particularly related  to  carbon                                                               
credits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:30:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  expressed  appreciation for  Senator  Dunbar's                                                               
earlier comment  about the black  spruce and his experience  as a                                                               
fire fighter.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNBAR asked  if she had a sense for  when the Governor's                                                               
legislation on carbon sequestration would be introduced.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL said she did not have a sense at this time.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNBAR  inquired  about  trail  projects  and  potential                                                               
presentations for the sake of committee education.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL   said  she  appreciated  the   discussion  and                                                               
suggestions for future presentations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:32:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN  discussed carbon sequestration and  his interest                                                               
in the topic. He wondered  about managing under-explored land and                                                               
the risk that legislative  conservation efforts might unknowingly                                                               
limit resource extraction.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI expressed  curiosity  about the  natural                                                               
gas  pipeline  discussed  in previous  legislative  sessions.  He                                                               
highlighted the state's opportunities  for future exploration. He                                                               
also  saw  value in  learning  about  REE and  the  underutilized                                                               
opportunities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL discussed  a  project  that involved  exporting                                                               
natural  gas  directly off  the  North  Slope. She  stressed  her                                                               
interest in agriculture  and the Division of  Agriculture in DNR.                                                               
She  wished to  know more  about the  land near  Nenana that  the                                                               
Governor designated as agricultural.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:35:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP voiced  appreciation for  the committee  members                                                               
and  their   areas  of   professional  expertise.   He  expressed                                                               
excitement  about the  work the  committee  will accomplish  this                                                               
session.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  concluded  the  preliminary  discussion  about                                                               
natural resources in Alaska.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:37:29 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Co-Chair   Giessel  adjourned   the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                               
Committee meeting at 4:37 p.m.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ANEW Carbon Offset Opportunity Evaluation.pdf SRES 1/18/2023 4:00:00 PM
NCSL_WOTUS.pdf SRES 1/18/2023 4:00:00 PM
JAMA_Life Expectancy.pdf SRES 1/18/2023 4:00:00 PM
2023 AMA State Issues of Concern.pdf SRES 1/18/2023 4:00:00 PM
ADN, Ming News Nother, & Science_News Articles.pdf SRES 1/18/2023 4:00:00 PM
Dermotcole_Interior Gas Utility looks to North Slope.pdf SRES 1/18/2023 4:00:00 PM
Forest Offsets Policy Briefing Paper SAF.pdf SRES 1/18/2023 4:00:00 PM
USDA Carbon Sequestration 2014 Study.pdf SRES 1/18/2023 4:00:00 PM